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Hyperliquid’s USDH ticker set off the most dramatic “RFP” in recent memory. The crew breaks down why Native Markets ran away with validator support, whether the process was theater or strategy, and how the Bake-off became a marketing masterstroke—and potential leverage on Circle. We dig into Polymarket odds, the last‑minute Paxos bribery allegation (denied), and what this means for future “native” stables on Solana, app chains, and beyond. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, we’re joined by Guy founder of Ethena as a special guest, as a single ticker (USDH) sparked a weeklong spectacle: Hyperliquid’s “Bake-off” to award the USDH stablecoin brand. Native Markets surged ahead as validators signaled support, Paxos rallied late with partners and incentives, and Ethena ultimately withdrew. Was this always a vibes‑based beauty contest, or a deliberate move to pressure Circle and re‑route bridge yield? We parse the incentives, the governance, and the market microstructure — and peek at what happens if every big chain/app tries the “native stablecoin” playbook. Show highlights🔹 Hyperliquid RFP, Explained — Validators signaled early; stakers could migrate; the USDH “ticker” confers no explicit fee rights, yet bidders offered huge economics. 🔹 Why Native Won — “Vibes-based beauty contest”: homegrown team fit the HL ethos; speed, alignment, and community trust trumped external credentials. 🔹 Paxos Allegation — Late claim of validator bribery surfaced; Paxos denied; no receipts provided; underscores governance fragility to extra‑protocol incentives. 🔹 The Real Prize — Bridge control & yield capture (+ tail‑risk management) mattered more than a brand: even a “just a ticker” beachhead can evolve to real economics. 🔹 Masterstroke Marketing — The public Bake-off dragged every major issuer onstage, boosting HL mindshare and potential leverage in any USDC negotiation. 🔹 Open vs. Closed — If you want a native team, say so; calling it an “RFP” for service providers while preferring insiders created dissonance and drama. 🔹 Odds vs. Votes — Polymarket odds rapidly converged on Native despite splashy rival bids—perception and validator reality diverged from Twitter takes. 🔹 Issuer Margins Compress — Public bids commoditize stablecoin issuance; expect 5–15 bps “asset‑manager” style economics unless you’re Tether‑scale. 🔹 App/Chain Rent Wars — Who captures the float? Apps, wallets, and chains will increasingly demand economics for distribution; UX and liquidity fragmentation loom. 🔹 Liquidity Gotchas — Forcing a nonstandard stable can impair quotes vs. USDT pairs elsewhere; exchanges risk killing their golden goose to save a few bps. Hosts⁠ ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest ⭐️Guy Young, Founder & CEO of Ethena Labs Disclosures⁠⁠ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:27 Hyperliquid USDH Stablecoin Proposal: Setup & Stakes 03:25 USDH “Bake-off”: Native Markets vs. Paxos, Ethena, Frax 06:21 Early Signals, Rumors, and Bribery Allegations 13:33 Validator Decisions, Community Reactions & Market Fallout 28:53 Polymarket Odds & Onchain Sentiment 29:47 Liquidity, Bridge Yield, & Market Microstructure Explained 31:46 Hyperliquid’s Strategic Playbook 34:28 Governance Design 37:45 Stablecoin Ecosystem 39:25 Exchange Liquidity Challenges, Maker Behavior & Fee Dynamics 55:28 Final Takeaways & Lessons for Chains, Exchanges & Issuers Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stablecoins are supposed to be boring, but the fight for the USDH ticker on Hyperliquid has turned into one of the most dramatic battles in crypto. From Ethena suddenly pulling out, to Paxos revamping its bid, to whispers of favoritism, the contest has put protocol-native stablecoins in the spotlight. In this episode, MegaETH co-founder Shuyao Kong, who just announced their own stablecoin USDm, speaks about why they chose Ethena as a partner, and why alignment with Hyperliquid matters more than short-term incentives. She also explains why ecosystems need both yield-chasing and yield-agnostic stablecoins — and whether Circle and Tether could be pushed aside in the next wave of competition. Thank you to our sponsor, ⁠Token2049⁠! Get 15% off your tickets with the code UNCHAINED! Guest: Shuyao Kong, Co-founder of MegaETH Links: Unchained: The Competition Is On. Who’ll Win the USDH Ticker on Hyperliquid? Bits + Bips: Hyperliquid’s USDH Bidding War & Why the DAT Model Is Broken Ethena Joins Race to Issue Hyperliquid’s USDH Paxos Unveils USDH Proposal V2 With PayPal, Venmo Integrations Sky Joins Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Stablecoin Issuers Enter Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Ethena withdraws its proposal The Block: MegaETH launches native USDm stablecoin with Ethena to subsidize sequencer fees Polymarket bet: Who will win the USDH ticker? Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🔥 3:02 Why Shuyao is so energized by the USDH ticker war 🔄 4:52 How the USDH drama reshaped MegaETH’s USDm launch 🤝 5:27 What convinced MegaETH to choose Ethena as its partner 🌐 11:20 What it really means to be aligned with an ecosystem 🚪 15:36 How Shuyao views Ethena’s sudden withdrawal from the contest 📣 18:22 Whether public governance decisions will keep gaining influence 🏗️ 20:16 Will protocol-native stablecoins be the winners of the next wave? 💵 21:22 Could Circle and Tether actually get pushed aside on Hyperliquid? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pump.fun rocketed to revenue, ran a blockbuster token sale, and then hit turbulence: rivals took share, the token slid, bots spammed launches, and critics cried “casino.” Now the team is fighting back with a dynamic creator-fee model, a liquidity foundation for cult communities, and an unapologetic push into live streaming and mobile. In this episode, co-founder Noah Tweedale lays out how Project Ascend aims to align creators and communities, why buybacks aren’t a long-term business model, what they’re doing about bots and user losses, and how Pump plans to compete not just with crypto apps, but with YouTube, Twitch, and TikTok. It’s a candid look at whether a crypto product can become a mainstream platform. Thank you to our sponsor ⁠Token2049⁠! Get 15% off with the code UNCHAINED Guest: Noah Tweedale, Co-founder of Pump.fun Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro ⚡ 2:09 Why the past few months have been so turbulent for Pump 💸 4:47 How the new dynamic fee model works for creators 🔍 9:40 How Pump’s discovery algorithm surfaces tokens ♻️ 10:45 Will Pump’s buybacks become programmatic? 🐶 15:33 Why LetsBonk was able to grab so much market share ⚔️ 18:20 Whether Noah sees Zora as a competitor 🌍 20:09 Why Noah wants to build a world-changing app, not chase small wins 👥 25:02 Whether Pump is prioritizing specific demographics 🔧 27:14 What the team is focused on improving in the app 🔗 30:32 How Pump is building interoperability with the broader crypto ecosystem 🤖 32:21 What the team is doing about bots launching tokens 💔 34:48 Whether they’re worried about so many users losing money 🛡️ 36:15 Why Noah doesn’t see apps like Zora or Believe as real competitors 📱 38:38 How mobile usage differs from desktop on Pump ⚖️ 40:03 How Pump approaches regulation and compliance 🎲 41:02 Why Noah insists Pump is not gambling, it’s trading 🎥 42:49 The strategies to compete with YouTube and Twitch 🌐 48:30 How Pump fits into a world with a widening wealth gap 🎰 53:29 How Noah responds to critics calling Pump a casino 🗺️ 57:56 Why Noah says roadmaps are a fallacy 🛠️ 59:41 Whether Pump will evolve into an “everything app” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The fight for Hyperliquid’s USDH stablecoin is more than a ticker battle—it’s a referendum on how crypto distribution, governance, and incentives will shape the next trillion-dollar market. In this episode of Bits + Bips, Steve Ehrlich sits down with Delta Blockchain Fund’s Kavita Gupta, Galaxy Digital’s Alex Thorn, and Frax founder Sam Kazemian to dig into the big questions: Who will win the USDH war, and why does distribution matter more than design? Are DATs fulfilling their promises—or raising money without accountability? Why are L2s the wrong place for tokenized stocks? And where exactly is the trillion-dollar opportunity in stablecoins? Sponsors: Xapo Walrus Host: Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Kavita Gupta, Founder & Managing Partner of Delta Blockchain Fund Alex Thorn, Head of Firmwide Research at Galaxy Digital Sam Kazemian, Founder of Frax Finance Links: Unchained: The Competition Is On. Who’ll Win the USDH Ticker on Hyperliquid? Stablecoin Issuers Enter Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Sky Joins Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🔥 4:17 The bidding war for Hyperliquid’s USDH 🗳️ 25:12 Whether the Hyperliquid DAO is truly decentralized ⚠️ 29:22 Are DATs already broken as a product? 🌶️ 35:00 How some DATs avoid fulfilling their promises after raising money 📈 40:27 Why yield-maximization is critical for DATs—and what risks it creates 💵 53:22 Where the trillion-dollar opportunity in stablecoins might actually be 🏛️ 55:35 Why tokenized stocks belong on L1s, not L2s Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The battle for Hyperliquid’s USDH ticker is a referendum on what crypto wants to be: a community-first public good, or a globally scaled, institution-ready product. With the clock ticking toward the proposal and voting deadlines, Agora’s Nick van Eck and Paxos Labs’ Bhau Kotecha lay out their cases—100% revenue back to users vs. 95% with enterprise distribution, “Hyperliquid alignment” versus “bring it to the masses,” and what each would build on day one if they win. We also dig into liquidity, slippage claims, validator dynamics, and how a single ticker could shape the future of onchain markets. Thank you to our sponsors ⁠⁠Mantle⁠⁠! Guests: Nick van Eck, CEO and Co-founder of Agora Bhau Kotecha, Co-founder of Paxos Labs Links: Unchained: Stablecoin Issuers Enter Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Sky Joins Bidding War to Launch Hyperliquid’s USDH Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro ⏱️ 0:45 How Laura breaks down the background of the proposals 💵 2:12 Why the USDH ticker matters so much for Hyperliquid 🌊 4:04 Why Hyperliquid is an ecosystem “you need to be in” 📜 5:38 How Agora explains its proposal to return all revenue 🏦 10:08 How Paxos makes its case for enterprise distribution 🤝 14:03 Why “Hyperliquid alignment” is central to this debate 🎁 17:05 Why Agora says it’s willing to give back 100% of revenue—what’s in it for them 💸 19:26 Why Paxos is pushing for 95% revenue back instead of 100% 🚀 24:03 What each side would build on day one if they win ⚖️ 31:49 How to characterize the differences between the two proposals ❓ 34:11 What it would mean if neither Agora nor Paxos wins 📉 39:23 Whether Paxos’s PYUSD suffers from slippage and liquidity issues 🗳️ 42:08 What voters should really consider when choosing a proposal Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Pokémon cards are no longer just collectibles stuffed in a binder. They’re becoming liquid, tradable assets onchain. In this episode, Collector Crypt CEO Tuom Holmberg and Bitwise’s Danny Nelson explain how the project is reimagining the $100 billion trading card industry. From slashing eBay’s 13% fees to near-zero, to solving decades-old authentication problems with vaulting and NFTs, to launching a token that surged 700% in weeks, Collector Crypt is pushing trading cards into crypto rails. We also explore whether this is the start of a “Polymarket moment” for collectibles, how these cards could be used in DeFi, and if mainstream investors might soon allocate to Pokémon decks alongside BTC and ETH. Thank you to our sponsors! Re Walrus Guests: Danny Nelson, Research Analyst at Bitwise Asset Management ⁠Tuom Holmberg⁠, CEO of Collector Crypt Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🛒 2:35 Why eBay’s fees are so high and how Collector Crypt cuts them down 🎴 7:50 How a Pokémon card collector would actually trade onchain 🔒 9:40 What security measures protect vaulted cards 👤 11:13 How Tuom’s background led him to build Collector Crypt 📉 13:14 The highs and lows of launching the app over time ⚖️ 21:24 How the company navigates copyright issues with Pokémon 💰 23:05 Why the $CARDS token surged 700% in weeks 🏦 28:28 How Collector Crypt makes money ⚡ 29:43 Why the team chose to build on Solana 🌍 31:43 How big the trading card market could get onchain 🔮 35:03 What’s next in Collector Crypt’s roadmap 🔥 39:25 Why Danny Nelson calls this a “Polymarket moment” 🖼️ 41:31 What makes digital trading cards different from other tokenized assets 👀 45:06 Why Collector Crypt grabbed so much attention last week 📊 49:22 How traditional funds could start investing in trading cards 🌐 52:04 Whether trading cards are about to go mainstream 🔗 53:40 How Pokémon decks could even be used in DeFi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DATs aren’t done. They may just be getting started. In this episode, CoinFund’s Chris Perkins and Upexi’s Brian Rudick join Ram Ahluwalia and Steven Ehrlich to dissect why some DATs could outcompete ETFs for certain investors, the bullish accretion math behind premiums, and what makes a winning vehicle. We also dig into whether this is altcoin season or a head fake, why Galaxy’s tokenized-share move matters, and the one market unlock Perkins says could change everything. Use this episode to pressure-test your assumptions: are DATs “just banks,” or the best product-market-fit crypto has found for TradFi capital? Thank you to our sponsor ⁠Xapo Bank⁠! Xapo offers Bitcoin-backed loans of up to $1 million, so eligible members can access liquidity without selling their BTC. Hosts: Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steve Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guests: Christopher Perkins, Managing Partner and President of CoinFund Brian Rudick, Chief Strategy Officer at Upexi Links: DATs: How Crypto Treasury Companies Are Turning to DeFi and TradFi to Juice Yields How Michael Saylor Plans to Ensure Strategy Keeps Its Bitcoin Forever These 4 Crypto Treasury Companies Are Primed for a Price Crash Crypto Treasury Companies Are All the Rage. Could They Cause an Industry Collapse? Tokenization: Federal Reserve to hold conference discussing crypto stablecoins, tokenization, and AI GLXY tokenized stock Ondo Finance launched over 100 tokenized U.S. stocks and ETFs on Ethereum CZ-owned Trust Wallet launches tokenized stocks and ETFs Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro ⏱ 3:00 Are markets set for another September swoon? 📈 6:03 Why the bull case for DATs isn’t over 🏦 12:41 Why Brian says “DATs are banks” 💡 18:20 Are DATs better products than ETFs for investors? 🧮 21:00 How the math behind premiums shows DATs create value 🪙 28:01 Whether this is the time for altcoins to shine 🌍 35:10 Where macro is heading and what investors should watch 🚨 37:48 Why Galaxy’s tokenized-share move on Solana is such a big deal 🔑 49:25 What the key market unlock is for altcoins Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altcoin froth meets political theater. The team dissects World Liberty Financial’s explosive debut: a $22B token backed by the Trump family, a disputed Aave partnership, insider buybacks, and a “gold paper” instead of a whitepaper. We break down Justin Sun’s role, why critics call it crypto’s “garbage moat,” and how WLFi could become the Thanksgiving dinner debate of 2025. Plus: Gavin Newsom’s meme coin tease, GDP data going on-chain, and the CFTC reopening U.S. markets to global exchanges. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, the crew dives into the wild debut of World Liberty Financial — Trump’s $22B DeFi token that launched with a “gold paper,” insider allocations, and buybacks despite no product. We break down the Trump family’s $5B paper fortune, the disputed Aave deal, and whether WLFi is a serious stablecoin project or just another garbage fire in crypto’s moat. From Justin Sun’s backing to Thanksgiving dinner debates, we unpack what WLFi means for politics, memes, and markets. Then we zoom out to Gavin Newsom’s meme coin tease, the U.S. Commerce Department posting GDP on-chain, and fresh CFTC moves that could reshape crypto exchanges and ETFs. Show highlights 🔹 World Liberty Financial Launch — Debuted at $22B FDV, $6B circulating cap; price fell 34% on day one with $2.5B in trading volume. 🔹 Trump Family Windfall — 22% of WLFi supply + 75% of presale; $440M presale cash and $5.6B in token wealth now exceeds Trump’s real estate. 🔹 The “Gold Paper” — No whitepaper, but a gold paper signed by Trump’s sons; co-founder emeritus title given to Trump himself. 🔹 Aave Deal Denied — WLFi initially promised 7% supply + 20% fees to Aave; governance ratified, then team denied it ever happened. Snapshot vs. “fake news.” 🔹 Token Buybacks — Team began buying back WLFi with $3M despite no sustainable revenue streams; price rallied but raised doubts. 🔹 Justin Sun’s Role — Largest backer, holding >3% of circulating supply; reignites debate over credibility. 🔹 Fastest Growing Stablecoin Claim — USD1 touted as the fastest-growing stablecoin in history; critics call it unsustainable hype. 🔹 Speculative Mania — Hosts compare WLFi to Bored Apes: meme-driven, high valuation, little product substance. 🔹 Garbage in the Living Room — Haseeb: WLFi is “crypto’s garbage moat” breaking into mainstream consciousness. 🔹 Thanksgiving Talking Point — The coin destined to dominate family dinner debates, regardless of legitimacy. 🔹 Gavin’s Meme Coin Response — Newsom teases “Trump Corruption Coin”; Polymarket odds at 36%. Hosts doubt Democrats can meme. 🔹 GDP On-Chain — Dept. of Commerce posts GDP data on 9 blockchains via Chainlink; useful innovation or pointless theater? 🔹 CFTC Path for Foreign Exchanges — Revives FBO registration to re-open US markets to offshore exchanges; Binance/OKX implications. 🔹 ETFs vs. Spot on CME — New rules may allow CME/Nasdaq to sell spot crypto; could undercut ETFs. 🔹 The Everything App Debate — Coinbase, Robinhood, and brokerages converge on offering stocks + crypto. Hosts spar over whether ETFs belong on Coinbase. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Disclosures Timestamps 00:00 - Liberty Financials & The Chopping Block Intro 01:21 - World Liberty Financial 05:15 - Tokenomics, Buybacks, and WLFI Drama 08:54 - Memecoins, Bored Apes, and Speculation 11:42 - Memecoins vs. Real Products 19:07 - Gavin Newsom & Beyond 25:43 - GDP Prints Onchain & Blockchain Use Cases 35:06 - CFTC, Regulation, and Global Crypto Markets 42:15 - The Everything App: Crypto, Stocks, and the Future of Finance 51:28 - Security, Trust, and the Future of Financial Platforms Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Behind some of the biggest token launches of the past year — from Trump’s $TRUMP coin to the recent Kanye West’s $YZY, to the collapse of $LIBRA and this week’s launch of $WLFI — the same insider names keep popping up. In this episode, Bubblemaps CEO Nicolas Vaiman explains how figures like Hayden Davis of Kelsier Ventures, celebrity promoter Sahil Arora, Naseem, and even Justin Sun have profited from chaotic launches. We dig into the mechanics of insider “snipes,” one-sided LPs that hide selling, and why celebrity and political tokens so often collapse right after launch. Finally, Nick asks: if “no one is coming to save us,” what real protections can the industry build? Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Re Guest: Nicolas Vaiman, CEO and co-founder of Bubblemaps Links: Previous coverage of Unchained on these token launches: Why Would Argentine President Javier Milei Protect Kelsier's Hayden Davis? How the Libra Scandal Exposed Memecoin Insider Trading on the World Stage Why Lyn Alden Isn't a Fan of Trump’s Memecoin Unchained: LIBRA Facilitator Sniped $12M of Kanye West’s YZY Token: Bubblemaps YZY Sniper Wallet Traced to LIBRA Scheme Kanye West’s YZY Token Launches With ‘Class Action Waiver’ Trump Family Grows $5 Billion Richer After WLFI Token Sale Circle Freezes $57M of USDC Linked to Libra Scandal Timestamps: ⏱ 0:00 Introduction 🔍 0:56 How Nick verified Trump’s memecoin was legit but Melania’s looked fishy, and how that led to Hayden Davis 🕵️ 8:00 What role Davis played in other shady memecoin launches 🎤 10:51 How Davis was tied to Kanye West’s $YZY token ⚡ 15:48 How sophisticated snipers find tokens onchain before everyone else ❓ 21:28 How Davis recovered frozen funds, and does this mean “crime is legal” in crypto? 👑 27:16 Why do celebrity memecoins almost always collapse 🎯 31:30 How are snipers plaguing the industry 😈 37:14 What tactics has Sahil Arora, the “crypto villain,” been accused of 🛠 40:51 How should the industry respond to these kinds of token launches 📈 46:07 How Justin Sun made a 10x on WLFI 👨‍💻 49:27 What’s Nick’s background and why he created Bubblemaps 🔮 53:32 How Bubblemaps plans to stand out from competitors Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Coinbase’s L2 Base is quickly becoming the most powerful distribution funnel in crypto — and two builders are betting everything on it. In this episode, Aerodrome’s Alex Cutler and Moonwell’s Luke Youngblood explain why they aligned early with Base, how Coinbase’s strategy could transform token launches by offering “one-click distribution” to 100M+ users, and why they believe Coinbase is set to become the world’s largest “crypto bank.” They also debate whether exchanges should decide which assets people can trade, how DeFi must evolve to reward token holders sustainably, and whether Uniswap’s push to keep liquidity fragmented is a moat or a weakness. Finally, they unpack the future of sequencing — and why Flashbots could deliver Solana-level speed while making trading fairer for everyone. Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus Guests: Alexander Cutler, Co-founder of Aerodrome Finance Luke Youngblood, founder of Moonwell Finance Links: Unchained: Companies Are Competing to Bring Crypto to the Masses. Who Is Best Positioned? Crypto Firms, Fintechs and Banks Hope to Dominate Stablecoins. Who Will Win? Moonwell stats Aerodrome stats Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 👥 2:56 Why Alex and Luke aligned early with Base, and how their backgrounds shapes that decision 📢 6:32 How Coinbase is positioning itself as the distribution partner of the onchain economy ⚖️ 21:12 Whether exchanges should be the ones deciding what assets people can trade 🌱 33:15 How DeFi needs to evolve to reward token holders sustainably and focus on long-term growth 💧 41:32 Whether liquidity fragmentation is actually a feature, not a bug, for Uniswap 💸 57:50 How Moonwell and Aerodrome justify issuing more incentives than they currently earn in revenue Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

DAT mania meets market reality. Tom Lee becomes the face of ETH as BitMine amasses 1.5% of supply and mNAV premiums start to collapse. We break down Japan’s MetaPlanet tax arbitrage, SharpLink’s buyback tactics, and the coming wave of DAT M&A. Plus: Robinhood launches tokenized stocks in Europe using Arbitrum, the WFE fires a warning shot, and Stylus lets fintech devs go Rust-first onchain. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, Arbitrum’s AJ Warner (Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs) joins to unpack the rise (and potential fall) of Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs), as Tom Lee emerges as Ethereum’s public face and BitMine amasses 1.5% of ETH. We dive into the collapse of mNAV premiums, Japan’s MetaPlanet tax arbitrage, and the looming consolidation of subscale DATs. Plus: Robinhood launches tokenized stocks in the EU on Arbitrum, AJ shares the roadmap for Robinhood Chain, and we debate whether token wrappers, buybacks, and DAT M&A mark the next era of crypto capital markets. Show highlights 🔹 Tom Lee’s ETH Blitz – How BitMine amassed 1.5% of the ETH supply, why Tom Lee says ETH could flip BTC, and how he’s become the “face of Ethereum.” 🔹 mNAV Compression Across DATs – Big-name DATs (BitMine, MicroStrategy) hold premiums; smaller ones trend toward par or discounts. 🔹 Japan’s MetaPlanet Tax Arbitrage – Why MetaPlanet trades at 2.5–3× NAV: stock taxation loopholes vs. crypto income tax rates in Japan. 🔹 DAT Buybacks, Activism & M&A – SharpLink’s buyback plan, potential for hostile takeovers, and speculation around “DAT piracy.” 🔹 One-DAT-per-Alt Endgame – Why most new DATs are failing, the shift to consolidation, and why each token may only support one treasury long-term. 🔹 Staking ETFs vs DATs – DATs can stake nearly 100% of assets; ETFs are constrained by redemptions and liquidity windows. 🔹 Corporate Tax Drag & Onchain Yield – Trade-offs between tax efficiency and flexibility in corporate vs. ETF structures. 🔹 WFE vs. Tokenized Stocks – Global exchange lobby attacks third-party wrappers as misleading “tokenized stocks” lacking shareholder protections. 🔹 Robinhood’s Tokenized Stock Rollout – Launching in the EU under MiCA, built on Arbitrum One, with a full Robinhood Chain to follow. 🔹 Stylus & Arbitrum Stack Strategy – Why Rust/C/C++ compatibility on Arbitrum helped win the Robinhood deal; flexibility for fintech devs. 🔹 Hyperliquid’s Bridge to Arbitrum – $5B+ in assets sourced via Arbitrum; why Arbitrum’s partner-first posture beats chasing L3s. 🔹 DATs as the New CMOs – How charismatic leaders like Tom Lee and Saylor act as public-facing evangelists for their ecosystems. HOSTS: ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest: ⭐️ A.J. Warner, Chief Strategy Officer at Offchain Labs Links: Disclosures⁠ DAT Mania Potential & mNAV Compression on the Chopping Block https://youtu.be/rF8TGVWWRTU?list=PLySrw1Nvf-srh6ZnJ033Jb440VKUjVNgX&t=2249 Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:10 Ethereum's Market Performance 03:02 Tom Lee's Media Blitz 06:37 Digital Asset Treasuries in Crypto 08:47 Tax Arbitrage and Premiums in Different Markets 10:58 Challenges of Digital Asset Treasuries 16:20 Corporate Form vs. ETFs for Staking 19:25 The Role of Spokespersons in Digital Asset Treasuries 27:59 Equity Heavy Strategies and MicroStrategy's Leverage 29:10 Market Signals and Liquidity Challenges 31:29 Adversarial M&A and Stock Buybacks 33:57 WFE letter to SEC: attack on “tokenized stocks” 45:32 Robinhood & Arbitrum Partnership 53:51 Hyperliquid vs. Arbitrum's Ecosystem Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Is crypto no longer moving in predictable four-year waves? From the rise of DATs and stablecoin-specific chains, to Hyperliquid challenging Binance itself, the industry is fracturing into segments with winners and losers. In this episode, Hack VC’s Peter Hans and DBA’s Jon Charbonneau debate whether Solana is next in line for a TradFi pump, why ETH suddenly flipped from dead to indispensable, and how onchain exchanges could finally free projects from Binance’s grip. Thank you to our sponsors! Re Mantle Guests: Peter Hans, Partner and Global Head of Business Development at Hack VC Jon Charbonneau, co-founder and general partner of DBA Links: Rob Hadick’s tweet on the DAT trend Vinny Lingham’s tweet on the locked SOL in DATs Unchained: Hyperliquid Surpasses Robinhood in Trading Volume for Three Months Straight Circle to Launch Layer 1 Blockchain ‘Arc’ Stripe Is Building Its Own Layer 1 Blockchain Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🎯 2:44 Whether the DAT trend is peaking or just getting started 🧾 10:57 Whether SOL DATs include locked funds from the FTX estate 🙅‍♂️ 11:52 Why Jon hasn’t touched any of these products 📈 16:28 Why Peter still sees long-term value in these vehicles 🔥 20:24 Why ETH is suddenly hot in TradFi and how SOL could follow 🏦 28:49 What makes a stablecoin-specific chain attractive 😶‍🌫️ 32:42 How crypto overlooked privacy for far too long 🔗 38:48 What it’ll take for stablecoin chains to win the payments game ⚠️ 45:39 Whether stablechains could hurt Ethereum, Tron, or Solana 🔍 47:46 Which stablechain has the best shot at success 💸 52:07 Why Hyperliquid beat Robinhood in trading volume 🧨 56:00 How Hyperliquid could break Binance’s listing chokehold 🕵️‍♂️ 59:23 What makes anonymous, no-KYC products appealing 📉 1:01:30 Whether the 4-year crypto cycle is officially dead Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altcoin froth meets real-asset rails. Vlad explains why Robinhood built an L2, how tokenized stocks—and even private shares like OpenAI/SpaceX—could trade on-chain, and what that means for accreditation, access, and the public/private wall. Plus: DATs, DTCC in a tokenized world, and AI that formally proves smart contracts. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. This week, Robinhood co‑founder/CEO Vlad Tenev joins to explain Robinhood Chain, why they chose a Layer 2 over a Layer 1, and the plan to bring tokenized stocks — including private shares — on‑chain. We get into the OpenAI/SpaceX kerfuffle, accreditation rules, and whether permissionless tokenization erodes the public/private boundary. Then we zoom out to 24/7 trading, Digital Asset Treasuries, and how formal verification (Lean proofs) could make smart contracts safer. Show highlights 🔹 Robinhood Chain L2 vs. L1 – Why Vlad Tenev chose a Layer 2 over a Layer 1 for tokenized stocks and real-world assets. 🔹 Tokenized Stocks & Private Shares – How Robinhood could put U.S. equities and private company equity (OpenAI, SpaceX) on-chain via SPVs and secondaries. 🔹 OpenAI/SpaceX Tokenization Debate – Issuer consent vs. permissionless exposure: what the kerfuffle reveals about private markets on-chain. 🔹 Retail Access & Accreditation Reform – Moving from wealth-gated accreditation to disclosure + self-certification so more investors can participate. 🔹 Ex-US Rollout for Tokenized Equities – Stablecoin-style playbook with KYC/geofencing and permissionless assets where allowed. 🔹 24/7 Trading for Stocks – From 24/5 to 24/7 markets; what this means for DTCC, transfer agents, and market plumbing. 🔹 Wallet + Chain + Custody Stack – Vertical integration advantages: pricing, UX, and liquidity when Robinhood owns more of the rails. 🔹 Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) – Yield dynamics, mNAV compression, and how DATs stack up against staking ETFs. 🔹 Memecoins vs. Real Assets – “You can buy memes but not OpenAI” paradox and why investor-protection rules feel backward. 🔹 AI-Verified Smart Contracts – Lean proofs, formal verification, and reducing smart-contract risk beyond manual audits. 🔹 Harmonic’s “Aristotle” – Vlad’s AI hitting IMO gold-medal-level math performance and what that means for code safety. 🔹 Robinhood’s Next Decade – Retail super app → B2B/institutional rails and ex-US expansion for tokenized finance. Hosts: ⭐️ Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️ Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate⭐️ Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures⭐️ Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guest: ⭐️ Vlad Tenev, CEO & Co-founder of Robinhood Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:52 L2 vs. L1 Trade-Offs 04:19 Tokenized Stocks on Robinhood Chain 07:56 Private Markets Onchain 16:10 Accreditation Reform & Compliance 21:47 24/7 Trading for Equities 31:05 Public vs. Private Boundary 32:59 Memecoin Paradox vs. Real-Asset Tokenization 35:27 Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) 37:50 Robinhood’s Business Mix 41:38 Retail to Institutions: Global Expansion 46:44 Harmonic AI & Lean Proofs 54:48 Safer Smart Contracts Beyond Manual Audits Disclosures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The drama is heating up in crypto M&A. LayerZero, the omnichain interoperability protocol, shocked the market with a $110 million bid to acquire Stargate DAO — the very bridge it originally launched. Then Wormhole jumped in, asking the DAO to pause the vote so it could make a counter-offer. This episode unpacks the first-ever so-called onchain bidding war: how to value DAOs like real businesses, why LayerZero and Wormhole are fighting over Stargate, and whether this deal marks the beginning of a consolidation wave across crypto. Guests David Nage of Arca and M&A advisor Lawson Bae of Relayzero break down the numbers, the strategy, and what this turning point means for the industry. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Sui Xapo Bank Guests: David Nage, VC Portfolio Manager at Arca Lawson Bae, Founder of Relayzero Links: Unchained: Wormhole Foundation to Counter LayerZero’s Bid for Stargate LayerZero Foundation Proposes $110 Million Stargate Acquisition, Retiring STG for ZRO Tokens Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🧱 2:57 Why LayerZero wants to buy Stargate, the bridge it launched 💸 8:36 Whether the $110 million offer from LayerZero was actually fair 🕵️‍♂️ 14:07 How Wormhole may be trying to make things difficult for its biggest rival 📊 16:35 Why David thinks the $110 million number can be justified 📈 21:07 How the number of daily active users factors into valuing crypto projects 🔢 27:07 What a “reasonable multiple” for Stargate could look like 🗳️ 30:34 How the Stargate DAO should approach this pivotal decision 🤝 34:49 Why this deal shows that crypto M&A is booming Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain 🐦 X / Twitter Crypto is moving past speculation — and into the battle for mass adoption. In this episode, Phantom CEO Brandon Millman and Pudgy Penguins CEO Luca Netz join Unchained to debate who will own the next hundred million users. Will it be product-led startups, Web2 giants like X and Meta, or crypto-native apps like Phantom? From payments to trading wars to the “everything app” dream, they unpack where the real value will accrue — and why the easy money era for entrepreneurs is over. Thank you to the sponsors who make this show possible! Re Mantle Guests: Brandon Millman, CEO and co-founder of Phantom Luca Netz, CEO of Pudgy Penguins Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚧 3:34 Why Brandon still thinks it’s a great time to build in crypto ⚡ 5:55 How Luca sees this moment as an “inflection point” for the industry 👥 9:36 What Brandon and Luca’s personal journeys reveal about building in Web3 🌍 18:07 Who’s best positioned to onboard the next wave of users into crypto 💸 25:05 How distribution is key and why Luca desperately wants to invest in Phantom 😀 💳 37:00 Who might win the payments race and what gives them the edge 📱 51:26 Whether Solana’s Seeker phone has any real shot at breaking through 🔗 58:32 How Robinhood might use Privy and Bridge to dominate the crypto stack ⚔️ 1:01:17 What the new crypto trading wars say about Robinhood, Coinbase, and Kraken 🤔 1:06:05 Whether Coinbase lacks a good product team 📲 1:10:36 Whether the “everything app” dream actually makes sense Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Stablecoin-focused blockchains are popping up everywhere. Stripe, Circle, and more are betting they can dominate payments. But are these chains even needed? And will Ethereum ever be ready for real-world assets? Austin Campbell, NYU professor and founder of Zero Knowledge Consulting, joins Unchained to cut through the hype. From why “the market eventually eats you” to how consumers, not companies, could be the real winners, Campbell unpacks the competitive landscape and warns that the ultimate champion might be someone who isn’t even on the field today. Thank you to our sponsors! Walrus Xapo Bank Guest: Austin Campbell, NYU Stern professor and founder and managing partner of Zero Knowledge Consulting Links: Unchained: Circle to Launch Layer 1 Blockchain ‘Arc’ Stripe Is Building Its Own Layer 1 Blockchain: Report Fortune: Top crypto VC Matt Huang to lead Stripe blockchain Tempo as CEO, stay at Paradigm Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 💸 4:23 Whether the world really needs stablecoin-specific blockchains 🧪 9:45 How Stripe’s Tempo chain could gain an edge in the payments game 🌐 12:25 Why Circle’s Arc might struggle to stand out 🏆 15:19 Who could emerge as the winner of the stablecoin payments race 🗺️ 20:35 What the broader stablecoin chain landscape looks like right now 🏦 23:36 Whether crypto companies have a real shot at disrupting traditional finance 🙋‍ 27:51 Who could end up being the biggest winners 🧱 31:52 Why Ethereum may not be ready for the RWA moment 🔮 34:52 Who’s best positioned to capitalize on the next wave of blockchain-based payments Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Altcoin season meets corporate blockchains as Circle and Stripe launch their own L1s, Monero suffers the biggest 51% attack in history (powered by an AI named “Garth”), and the crew debates whether the DAT boom is heading toward equilibrium or mania. Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, the crew dives into the surprising altcoin rally and asks whether ETH still counts as an alt. The big news: Circle unveils Arc, Stripe leaks Tempo — and crypto Twitter is not impressed. We explore why major fintechs are launching their own chains instead of using Ethereum L2s, and whether stablecoin-centric blockchains are the future or just profit grabs. Then: the wildest headline of the week — Monero gets hit with a 51% attack by Qubic, a project training an AI called “Garth,” in what might be the largest attack of its kind. We break down the game theory, the proof-of-work vs. proof-of-stake debate, and what this foreshadows for Bitcoin’s security decades from now. Also: Trump’s executive order opens the door for crypto in 401(k) plans, we speculate about a future GPU debt market crisis, and dissect the state of play in Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) — including whether yield advantages over staking ETFs mean we’re only halfway to mania. Show highlights 🔹 ETH vs. Alts – Is Ethereum still an altcoin, or has it graduated to “major” status? 🔹 Circle’s Arc & Stripe’s Tempo – Why are fintech giants launching their own L1s instead of using Ethereum L2s? 🔹 Crypto Twitter Backlash – The ethos clash between “public goods” culture and corporate profit motives. 🔹 Monero’s 51% Attack – Qubic’s AI Garth mines enough hash power to take over Monero as a “proof of concept.” 🔹 Game Theory & Chain Security – Why PoW is fun (and dangerous) to reason about, and how PoS differs. 🔹 Bitcoin’s Future Risk – How tail emissions (or lack thereof) could leave BTC open to similar attacks. 🔹 401(k) Goes Crypto – Trump’s executive order allows digital assets in retirement accounts. 🔹 GPU Debt Crisis Fanfic – Tarun’s prediction for a future financial meltdown. 🔹 DATs Debate – Are Digital Asset Treasuries sustainable, or primed for a spectacular unwind? 🔹 Yield Edge over ETFs – Why DATs may outperform staking ETFs in capturing on-chain yield. ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tarun Chitra, Managing Partner at Robot Ventures ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Democratizing Access To Alternative Assets For 401(K) Investors https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/democratizing-access-to-alternative-assets-for-401k-investors/ Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:01 Crypto Market Sentiments 02:29 Circle’s Arc & Stripe's Tempo 07:34 Corporate Chains vs. L2 Solutions 17:57 Monero's 51% Attack by Qubic 27:11 Real-World & Protocol Incentives 29:33 Monero's Tail Emission & Bitcoin's Future 34:39 Trump’s Executive Order: Crypto in 401(k)s 37:15 Next Financial Crisis? GPU Debt Crisis 41:15 DAT Mania Potential & mNAV Compression Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ethereum’s rally has captivated the market, but is it really about the GENIUS Act and stablecoins, or just raw flows? In this episode of Bits + Bips, Alex Kruger, Ram Ahluwalia, Steven Ehrlich, and special guest Sid Powell of Maple Finance, dive deep into what’s driving ETH, the macro forces shaping crypto’s next leg up, and whether traders are completely wrong about the Fed’s next moves. From the potential flood of TradFi capital onto the blockchain, to the battle for stablecoin dominance, to whether Solana is about to get a major boost, the conversation dissects the signals in today’s market. Hosts: Alex Kruger, Founder of Asgard Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Steven Ehrlich, Executive Editor at Unchained Guest: Sid Powell, CEO & Co-Founder of Maple Finance Links: Unchained: Custodia Patent for Bank Stablecoin Challenges Big Banks Entering the Field CBS News: CPI rose in July by 2.7% on an annual basis. Here's what that means. CNBC: Circle shares rise as second-quarter revenue jumps 53% on strong stablecoin growth Fed board contenders Miran, Bullard say Trump's tariffs are not causing inflation CoinDesk. ETH Transaction Volume C Much as $20limbs on Price Rally, Cheaper DeFi Costs Tom Lee's BitMine Immersion Aims to Raise asB for More ETH Buys Cointelegraph: SharpLink Gaming shares dip after $400M deal to boost Ether holdings Bloomberg: Godfather of the Mar-a-Lago Accord Goes to the Fed Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🚀 2:52 Why ETH has been rallying so aggressively 💪 10:14 Why Alex says the ETH rally will continue 📉 12:53 How BitMine and SBET ended up with such wildly different mNAVs 🧾 14:07 How treasury companies are planning to deploy their crypto onchain 🏛️ 18:45 What TradFi institutions are looking for in Maple and other onchain finance apps 📊 28:07 What Alex is watching to signal the next breakout in crypto prices ⛏️ 32:57 Who really makes money during this new gold rush? 🔥 42:15 Why SOL could be on the verge of a big announcement 🧠 44:58 What Ethereum’s core purpose is in this new market cycle 🌍 47:34 How macro indicators are sending mixed signals 🤖 54:31 What the NVDA and AMD revenue shares with the U.S. government mean for the future of capitalism could mean for the broader market 🏆 58:13 Who stands to win big in crypto if the Fed cuts rates 💵 1:03:26 What Circle’s earnings reveal about its business model right now 🛡️ 1:04:33 Whether Custodia Bank’s patent could block big banks from launching stablecoins 📉 1:11:35 Why markets might be totally mispricing the Fed’s next moves Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Subscribe to the new Bits + Bips channels! 📺 YouTube 🎧 Podcast → Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Pocket Casts, Fountain🐦 X / Twitter In this episode of Unchained, Guy Young, founder of Ethena Labs, and Rob Hadick, general partner at Dragonfly, unpack the emerging wave of Digital Asset Treasuries (DATs) and why altcoins may be the next to follow Bitcoin and Ethereum onto public markets. They explain why StablecoinX, a new infrastructure company within the Ethena ecosystem, is merging with a SPAC to go public on Nasdaq under the ticker “USDE,” anchoring its treasury with Ethena’s ENA token. With $360 million in backing from investors like Dragonfly, Ribbit, Galaxy, and Polychain, the deal is testing whether public equity markets are ready for altcoin-native treasuries. Guy and Rob also discuss why some crypto wrapper stocks are trading at massive premiums, how capital gets misallocated in crypto, and whether ETH staking rewards represent real yield or just inflation. They debate whether this trend is creating lasting infrastructure or just new packaging for old narratives. Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Mantle Re Guests: Guy Young, founder of Ethena Labs Rob Hadick, General Partner at Dragonfly Timestamps: 🎬 0:00 Intro 🧠 3:29 Why Ethena worked with a team launching an ENA corporate treasury company 💰 10:38 Ways to structure public crypto treasury vehicles 🕵️‍♂️ 16:53 Whether treasury vehicles are just a flashy wrapper for vaporware 📉 22:28 Why Guy says there’s way more VC capital than good ideas in crypto right now 📈 31:20 How some DATs are trading at eye-popping premiums 🤔 37:15 Why Dragonfly backed TLGY but skipped other Bitcoin, ETH, or SOL plays 🏗️ 40:24 How the structure of these public vehicles shapes their value 🔄 47:39 What makes convertible debt different from SPACs or PIPEs 🧾 49:20 How investors should think about these new crypto treasury companies 📊 55:43 How Wall Street is being pitched on Ethena and USDE 💥 59:16 Whether this trend is legit or just another bubble waiting to pop Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. With special guests: Avichal Garg, Managing Partner at Electric Capital, and Tomasz K. Stańczak, Co-Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation. This week we get into one of the most pivotal moments in Ethereum’s history — from the Tornado Cash verdict and its chilling implications for developers, to Wall Street’s growing embrace of ETH through the launch of ETHZilla. The crew unpacks how this trial could redefine developer liability, why Ethereum’s narrative is shifting toward institutional adoption, and what the next decade could look like for the world’s most versatile blockchain. Whether you’re here for the legal drama, the market moves, or the inside scoop from Ethereum’s top builders and investors, this episode delivers the sharp analysis, big-picture context, and unfiltered hot takes you’ve come to expect from The Chopping Block. Show highlights 🔹 Tornado Cash Verdict Breakdown – Haseeb explains the mixed outcome: a conviction on one count, hung jury on the most serious charges, and what it means for Roman Storm’s future. 🔹 Developer Liability in the Spotlight – Why the case sends a chilling signal to open-source and privacy protocol builders across the U.S. 🔹 Inside the Appeal Strategy – How contradictions between DOJ arguments and FinCEN guidance could shape Roman’s path forward. 🔹 Avichal’s Optimistic Take – Why he believes the American legal and political system will ultimately land on the right side of crypto innovation. 🔹 Historical Parallels – Comparing today’s battles over smart contracts and AI to the legal fights over corporations and cryptography in centuries past. 🔹 ETHZilla Unveiled – Avichal introduces Electric Capital’s new Ethereum treasury vehicle, how it’s designed to work, and its potential impact on DeFi. 🔹 Wall Street Meets Ethereum – The crew explores how institutional capital could become a massive “supply sink” for ETH. 🔹 Potential Shakeouts Ahead – Why some public ETH vehicles may face activist investor pressure, M&A, or liquidation if they stay subscale. 🔹 Ethereum Foundation’s Vibe Shift – Tomasz shares how the EF is engaging more openly with the community, leaning into finance, and guiding ecosystem coordination. 🔹 Ethereum’s Resurgence – From legal fights to market dominance, why ETH feels unstoppable heading into its next decade. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly Guests ⭐️ Avichal Garg, Managing Partner at Electric Capital ⭐️ Tomasz K. Stańczak, Co-Executive Director at the Ethereum Foundation ⁠Disclosures⁠ Links Beyond Stablecoins: The Case for Ethereum by Maria Shen and Sanjay Shah (Electric Capital) https://electriccapital.substack.com/p/beyond-stablecoins-the-case-for-ethereum Timestamps 00:00 Intro 01:36 Tornado Cash Trial Verdict 06:16 Legal and Industry Reactions 09:25 Future of Crypto Legislation 21:13 Smart Contracts & AI Legislation 27:58 Introduction to ETHZilla 31:47 Community-Oriented Ethereum Initiatives 32:38 Wall Street Money in DeFi 35:08 Activist Investors & Market Dynamics 39:25 TradFi vs. DeFi 44:12 Ethereum Foundation's Cultural Shift 54:13 The Role of Ethereum Foundation Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices