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Black Sheep and Bad Apples was created as a project by Loren O'Brien to find something he wasn't good at and to get better. That experiment has slowly evolved from casual meandering conversations into deep dives into a variety of topics. In it's current iteration, BS+BA is an exploration into conspiracies -- real and fake, as well as social issues and the news to examine the context within which we live today. Some guests come in to cold, knowing nothing, while others come in knowing slightly more. Either way, the host, Loren, tries to make it a fun, interesting journey into the unknown.

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Black Sheep and Bad Apples was created as a project by Loren O'Brien to find something he wasn't good at and to get better. That experiment has slowly evolved from casual meandering conversations into deep dives into a variety of topics. In it's current iteration, BS+BA is an exploration into conspiracies -- real and fake, as well as social issues and the news to examine the context within which we live today. Some guests come in to cold, knowing nothing, while others come in knowing slightly more. Either way, the host, Loren, tries to make it a fun, interesting journey into the unknown.

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English


Episodes
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79 A CRISIS IN MASCULINITY: Are Men Okay?

4/20/2025
In this episode, Loren and Sam discuss masculinity and how it relates to the newest trend in the male world being "eyelashes are feminine," Fox News Host Jesse Watters' ideas around milkshakes, straws, and soup, and a TikTok trend of face-hammering, leg-lengtheners and LooksMaxxing. Sources; Manfluencing/Eyelash cutting;https://www.buzzfeed.com/alanavalko/men-shaving-eyelashes-trend Tiktok:https://www.tiktok.com/@billybeebaddestbitch/video/7460426663302630661?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc https://www.tiktok.com/@billybeebaddestbitch/video/7461080721986243845?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc https://www.tiktok.com/@ferhat.ceylan3/video/7466121698467728661 Jesse Watters; https://youtu.be/GaP3HSWNxE4?si=2a3U0zNpP0JOQX_u Toxic Beauty;https://japantoday.com/category/features/lifestyle/%27toxic-beauty%27-rise-of-%27looksmaxxing%27-influencers

Duration:01:00:11

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UNLOCKED PATREON EPISODE; Scattershot: The News - Banned Words, Hands Off!, New Movies

4/6/2025
In this unlocked Patreon episode, Loren, Shawn and Sam discuss the words that, if used by states, could lead to the Feds withdrawing funding from those states, the Hands Off! protests, and they try to leave the episode on a bright(er) note by discussing upcoming... and Boston Jesus. For more BS+BA extras, check out www.patreon.com/BlackSheepandBadApples

Duration:01:25:19

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78 The Power of Dawn

3/23/2025
In this episode, Shawn tells Loren and Sam about Paul Andrecola, the inventor of Dawn's liquid dish soap. For the video version of this episode and others, visit patreon.com/BlackSheepandBadApples .

Duration:02:12:02

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77 Istanbul And Ancient Apes

2/23/2025
In this episode Sam walks Loren and Shawn through the evolution of human beings and their migration to Istanbul/Constantinople. (This will be an intermittent but ongoing series.) Links we discussed; https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Last_Glacial_Maximum_Vegetation_Map.svg https://www.deviantart.com/atlas-v7x/art/Coastlines-of-the-Ice-Age-Europe-686388656 https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/8o5dqa/coastlines_of_the_ice_age_middle_east_4000x3329_oc/ https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/CP_LastIce-Age_ClickOut.html https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-cvtgt/Europe/?center=45.1588%2C20.13284&zoom=8

Duration:02:05:08

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76 Rumors of the Humanzee Have Been Greatly Exaggerated

1/13/2025
In this episode, Loren walks Sam and Shawn through the history of the idea of the "missing link", how people have profited by it's perpetuation, and how all of those ideas have been shown to be fraudulent. This episode is not for young or sensitive listeners. To reiterate; graphic content warning in the later part of the episode.

Duration:01:50:05

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75 The Christmas Episode

12/8/2024
In this episode, Loren, Shawn and Sam discuss the traditions that would later be amalgamated into Christmastime. Not an episode for children.

Duration:01:53:27

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74 The Parasitic Nature of Private Equity

7/7/2024
In this episode Loren, Sam and Shawn all discuss how private equity firms (a.k.a. Wall Street types) have gotten in the business of ruining businesses, providing worse customer service, and inflating the economy for profit while making us all foot the bill.

Duration:01:32:32

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73 The Snake Venom Episode

6/16/2024
In this episode, Loren, Shawn and Sam discuss the science behind snake venom and those who dare to attempt to build an immunity against it, and how they may change the world.

Duration:01:52:40

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72 The Zoot Suit Riots

6/9/2024
Loren is joined by Sam as they discuss the zoot suit riots and the causes of the five day riots that spread across LA in 1943.

Duration:01:27:49

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71 Larry V. Jerry: A Sh*thead Showdown

3/17/2024
Sam, Shawn and Loren look at the Supreme Court Case of Hustler Magazine V Falwell. They begin by introducing a bit of a biography on both individuals before discussing the legal battle that ensued between them that endangered (and sort-of saved) free speech, allowing Americans to make fun of public officials and protecting parody as a 1st Amendment right.

Duration:01:41:57

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70 The Many Faces of Agenda 21

2/4/2024
Loren brings Shawn and Sam along for a discussion about the nefarious Agenda 21/Agenda 30 conspiracy and how it can neatly - yet wrongly - explain many other conspiracies.

Duration:02:14:15

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69 The Source: A Health Food Cult

12/17/2023
Loren is joined by Sam and Shawn to discuss James Edward Baker Jr and the rise and fall of a hippy health food cult named The Source.

Duration:02:29:29

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68 The War On Women Pt. 3

12/3/2023
In this installment of the War On Women, Loren is again joined by Kelly and Allie to discuss marriage, no-fault divorce and incompatibility. They discuss the importance of no-fault divorce and take a look at some of the modern advocates of getting rid of it. They contend that the right to no-fault divorce is destroying the moral fabric of society by empowering women. We look into how they're wrong. This episode has a brief discussion of emotional abuse. [1] Smithsonian Magazine; "The Heartbreaking History of Divorce" https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/heartbreaking-history-of-divorce-180949439/ [2] Mother Jones; "The Right's War On Divorce -- And It's Costs" https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/no-fault-divorce-texas-republican-gop-crowder/ [3] History News Network; "Teddy Roosevelt Also Asked Congress to Add a Marriage Amendment-The Answer Was No" http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/3889.html [4] Media Matters: "After Roe, conservatives set their sights on ending no-fault divorce laws" https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-pool/after-roe-conservatives-set-their-sights-ending-no-fault-divorce-laws [5] Ben Shapiro's "Hot Take On No-Fault Divorce"; https://youtu.be/Q4TXVBaZO7g?si=LGSPQl-J30Tqfwl2 [6] Media Matters; "Tim Pool: 'I think a large portion of the women we've had on Timcast IRL are in favor of repealing the 19th amendment'” https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-pool/tim-pool-i-think-large-portion-women-weve-had-timcast-irl-are-favor-repealing-19th [7] Media Matters; "On YouTube, Tim Pool suggests “high values dudes” should shame women based on their number of sexual partners" https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-pool/youtube-tim-pool-suggests-high-values-dudes-should-shame-women-based-their-number-sexual [8] Media Matters: "On Timcast IRL, Terry Schilling claims no-fault divorce will lead to our cities being “ransacked” by “criminal orphans” https://www.mediamatters.org/tim-pool/timcast-irl-terry-schilling-claims-no-fault-divorce-will-lead-our-cities-being-ransacked [9] Media Matters; "Steven Crowder’s horrifically sexist YouTube show" https://www.mediamatters.org/steven-crowder/steven-crowders-horrifically-sexist-youtube-show If you or someone you know may be experiencing domestic violence contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline at 800-799-7233 or Text START to 88788 or https://www.thehotline.org/

Duration:02:06:29

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67 The War On Women PT. 2

11/12/2023
In this episode, Loren is joined by Kelly and Allie to continue their conversation about the War On Women. This episode features discussions about women being banned from preaching in the Southern Baptist Church, what the "proper" roles are for the genders, seduction laws, that time people lost their minds over women wearing pants, that time people lost their minds over women smoking in public, that time that people lost their minds over the "dangers" of women riding bikes, and The Transformed Wife; a modern christian regressive trying to turn women into "godly women" by telling them they shouldn't have emotional needs.

Duration:01:44:27

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66 The War On Women PT.1

10/29/2023
In this episode, Loren sits down with his wife, Kelly, and their friend Allie to discuss the various battles that have made up the War On Women. They discuss marriage, virginity, women being kind-of-but-not-really property to first, their fathers and then, their husbands and how all of this was tied together with business, legality and fuck-contracts. Sources; [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/13/us/idaho-abortion-doctors-drain/index.html [2] https://www.acog.org/clinical-information/policy-and-position-statements/position-statements/2018/restrictions-to-comprehensive-reproductive-health-care#2 [3] https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/the-history-of-christianity-and-abortion/ [4] https://michiganlawreview.org/the-return-of-coverture/ [5] https://www.womenshistory.org/articles/coverture-word-you-probably-dont-know-should [6] https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiNw4Lyu5b_AhUMMDQIHWFxAl4QFnoECDYQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fscholarworks.iu.edu%2Fjournals%2Findex.php%2Fiujur%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F23364%2F29533%2F55389&usg=AOvVaw38_OFWjI09G7z37Uo_Bvad [7] https://ap.gilderlehrman.org/essay/legal-status-women-1776%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%80%9C1830 [8] https://medium.com/the-establishment/a-quick-and-dirty-history-of-virginity-9ceb24b7e08a [9] https://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/from-yesterday-s-spinster-to-today-s-crazy-cat-lady-has-anything-really-changed-1.5576938 [10] http://www.histarch.illinois.edu/plymouth/Lauria1.html [11] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54693159 [12] https://www.britannica.com/event/Married-Womens-Property-Acts-United-States-1839 [13] https://books.google.com/books?id=5kjkZjvnI-sC&pg=PA21#v=onepage&q&f=false [14] https://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/womens-history-us-timeline [15] https://www.plannedparenthood.org/blog/what-are-the-comstock-laws [16] https://www.history.com/news/chamberlain-kahn-act-std-venereal-disease-imprisonment-women [17] https://www.history.com/topics/womens-history/womens-history-us-timeline [18] https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/allthemoms/2018/12/18/meet-transformed-wife-whose-working-mom-chart-rocked-world/2342435002/

Duration:01:17:53

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65 The Empire of PG&E: Making A Killing

10/16/2023
In the fourth and final installment of our series on PG&E, Loren, Sam and Kyle take a look at some of the repercussions that have fallen upon PG&E after their various crimes and see if, in 2023, they have began changing their ways.

Duration:01:25:50

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64 The Empire of PG&E: Up In Smoke

10/1/2023
In our third installation on PG&E, Loren, Sam and Kyle take a look at the effects that deregulation has had on the energy industry in California and examine the many, many disasters that emerged from the negligence of PG&E. Source Notes; [1] https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/PG-E-Guilty-In-1994-Sierra-Blaze-739-counts-of-2821364.php [2] https://quickelectricity.com/ [3] https://www.ukiahdailyjournal.com/2020/02/16/the-observer-pge-deregulation-a-colossal-failure-by-colossal-imbeciles/ [4] http://rrvfd.com/custom.html?id=12067 [5] https://www.sfgate.com/health/article/Surviving-to-thank-her-heroes-Determined-to-2468886.php [6] https://docs.cpuc.ca.gov/published/Report/40886.PDF [7] https://www.kqed.org/news/10564656/10-emails-detail-pges-cozy-relationship-with-its-regulators [8] https://www.ishn.com/articles/99486-pacific-gas-electric-penalized-14-billion-for-3798-violations [9] https://abc7news.com/pge-fine-pacific-gas-and-electric-san-bruno-fire-explosion/1722674/ [10] https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/small-fire-exposes-pge-maintenance-flaws/3270869/ [11] https://reinerslaughter.com/what-is-the-cause-of-the-mosquito-fire/ [12] https://abc7news.com/pge-innovation-summit-2023-elon-musk-solar-energy-electric-vehicles/13547529/ [13] https://oag.ca.gov/system/files/attachments/press_releases/02-003.pdf [14] https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/pg-e-illegally-pocketed-80-million-probe-finds-3072650.php

Duration:01:29:32

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63 The Empire of PG&E: Losing The Thread

9/17/2023
In this episode, Sam, Kyle and Loren discuss the first 80ish years of PG&E and their operations throughout the 1900's to see exactly how they've grown from a fledgling monopoly into a full-grown, power-wielding corporation who has set their sights on expansion - no matter the cost. Source Notes: [1] https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/events/1906calif/18april/ [2] https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/events/1906calif/18april/casualties.php [3] Survey; https://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-43/TOC.PDF Chapter 8; https://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-43/VOL_II/VII_C08.PDF [4] https://www.zippia.com/pacific-gas-and-electric-company-careers-34080/history/ [5]https://www.penspen.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/past-present-future.pdf [6] https://mechanicalbasics.com/oxy-acetylene-welding-parts-working-advantages/ [7] http://plainshumanities.unl.edu/encyclopedia/doc/egp.ind.048 [8] https://www.investor.gov/introduction-investing/investing-basics/role-sec [9] https://www.kcet.org/socal-focus/the-diablo-canyon-nuclear-power-plant-a-48-year-odyssey [10] https://publicintegrity.org/environment/how-industry-scientists-stalled-action-on-carcinogen/ [11]https://www.britannica.com/story/what-is-hexavalent-chromium-or-chromium-6 [12] https://ejatlas.org/print/hinkley-groundwater-contamination

Duration:01:33:43

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62 The Empire of PG&E: Humble Beginnings

9/3/2023
In this episode Sam and Loren discuss the origins of PG&E with Kyle Moucha. Source Notes; [1] https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Donahue-495 [2] https://www.maritimeheritage.org/vips/Peter-Donahue.html [3] https://es-m-wikipedia-org.translate.goog/wiki/R%C3%ADmac_(vapor)?_x_tr_sl=es&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp [4] “The Gold Rush and the Beginnings of California Industry “ https://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft758007r3&doc.view=content&chunk.id=d0e9024&toc.depth=1&anchor.id=bkd0e9034&brand=ucpress [5] https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/11/18/days-gone-by-san-franciscos-streets-get-their-gaslights-from-an-industrial-pioneer/ [6] https://www.sfchronicle.com/chronicle_vault/article/When-San-Francisco-burned-down-six-times-in-a-16105086.php [7] Petaluma Argus-Courier https://www.petaluma360.com/article/entertainment/petalumas-past-peter-donahue-and-the-bitter-fight-for-a-railroad/ [8] https://www.baycrossings.com/bay-crossings-characters-those-amazing-donahue-boys-2/ [9] P.G. and E. of California; the centennial story of Pacific Gas and Electric Company, 1852-1952; https://archive.org/details/pgeofcaliforniac0000cole [10] https://www.encyclopedia.com/books/politics-and-business-magazines/pge-corporation

Duration:01:22:44

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61 Why We Work

8/20/2023
Sam and Loren get together to discuss the subject of work. They discuss simple, yet frequently overlooked questions like; What is work? Why do we have to do it? What are things that make hard work harder?

Duration:01:56:32